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The meaning of Southern Man lyrics?
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Tony Sivori
2003-12-27 18:16:17 UTC
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What is the story behind the lyrics of Southern Man? If Neil ever talked
about it, I can't find it despite considerable Googling this newsgroups
archives, the web, or browsing the hyperrust.org website.
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Tony Sivori
Mike Cressey
2003-12-31 00:35:02 UTC
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Post by Tony Sivori
What is the story behind the lyrics of Southern Man? If Neil ever talked
about it, I can't find it despite considerable Googling this newsgroups
archives, the web, or browsing the hyperrust.org website.
I'm not sure I've ever seen anything he's said on this song & I don't
recall any specifics in Shakey but I believe that Neil spent some time
down south & he wrote this song (and Alabama) as a reaction to that
experience.

However, I think the song is pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
Remember it was written in the late 60's, a time when people wrote
protest & social conscience-type songs.

Mike
Tony Sivori
2004-01-01 04:51:54 UTC
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Post by Mike Cressey
Post by Tony Sivori
What is the story behind the lyrics of Southern Man? If Neil ever
talked about it, I can't find it despite considerable Googling this
newsgroups archives, the web, or browsing the hyperrust.org website.
I'm not sure I've ever seen anything he's said on this song & I don't
recall any specifics in Shakey but I believe that Neil spent some time
down south & he wrote this song (and Alabama) as a reaction to that
experience.
However, I think the song is pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
After decades of listening I still don't understand what Southern Man is
saying.

Neil Young is one of my favorite artists. But at least one of his other
songs that I really like have very disturbing lyrics, specifically Down By
The River. Still, the lyrics fit the the song so I'm not complaining.

But to me, some of the Southern Man could be interpreted as racist, which
is something I would not expect from Neil Young. When he speaks of bull
whips and cutting down black men, I am left to wonder is this a
denouncement, or an endorsement? It seems to me that it could be
interpreted either way, which is why I was hoping to find some comment
from Neil himself about the lyrics.
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Tony Sivori
Ric
2004-01-01 18:25:14 UTC
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You're joking, right? Of course it's a denouncement, not of the South or
Southerners in general, but of the Southern history of slavery and enduring
racist attitudes (from a minority). It's a bitter indictment of
institutionalised racism...

Southern man better keep your head
Don't forget what your good book said - (the Bible, all men are created
equal)
Southern change gonna come at last
Now your crosses are burning fast - (metaphor, burning crosses [Ku Klux
Klan] - burning fast [time running out])
Southern man

I saw cotton and I saw black - (black men working the cotton fields)
Tall white mansions and little shacks. - (inequality)
Southern man when will you pay them back? - (when will you redress the
balance?)
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking
How long? how long? - (How long is this gonna go on?)

Southern man better keep your head
Don't forget what your good book said
Southern change gonna come at last
Now your crosses are burning fast
Southern man

Lily belle, your hair is golden brown
I've seen your black man comin' round
Swear by God I'm gonna cut him down! - (White supremacist attitude to white
woman [it's a quote not an opinion!])
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking
How long? how long?

'Sweet Home Alabama' by Lynyrd Skynyrd was their answer to this perceived
criticism of the South in general!

Cheers

Ric
Post by Tony Sivori
Post by Mike Cressey
Post by Tony Sivori
What is the story behind the lyrics of Southern Man? If Neil ever
talked about it, I can't find it despite considerable Googling this
newsgroups archives, the web, or browsing the hyperrust.org website.
I'm not sure I've ever seen anything he's said on this song & I don't
recall any specifics in Shakey but I believe that Neil spent some time
down south & he wrote this song (and Alabama) as a reaction to that
experience.
However, I think the song is pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
After decades of listening I still don't understand what Southern Man is
saying.
Neil Young is one of my favorite artists. But at least one of his other
songs that I really like have very disturbing lyrics, specifically Down By
The River. Still, the lyrics fit the the song so I'm not complaining.
But to me, some of the Southern Man could be interpreted as racist, which
is something I would not expect from Neil Young. When he speaks of bull
whips and cutting down black men, I am left to wonder is this a
denouncement, or an endorsement? It seems to me that it could be
interpreted either way, which is why I was hoping to find some comment
from Neil himself about the lyrics.
--
Tony Sivori
Tony Sivori
2004-01-01 20:09:54 UTC
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Post by Ric
You're joking, right?
No, I'm serious.

I think it is easy to understand the words correctly yet misinterpret
meaning in song lyrics. The most famous example I know of is ZZ Top's
"Arrested for Driving While Blind". Tipper Gore mistook the lyrics which
were intended both as sarcasm and a warning against drunk driving, for an
endorsement of drunk driving.

And there are the words with no real meaning, for instance Led Zeppelin's
infamous "tadpole in a jar" line. I guess what that line really means is
that they were probably on some really powerful drugs when they wrote it.
Post by Ric
Of course it's a denouncement, not of the South or Southerners in
general, but of the Southern history of slavery and enduring racist
attitudes (from a minority). It's a bitter indictment of
institutionalised racism...
Good. That is what I hoped. But I just couldn't find any quote from Neil
saying so.
Post by Ric
Southern man better keep your head
Don't forget what your good book said - (the Bible, all men are created
equal)
In the antebellum South, the Bible was frequently used to justify slavery.

(And besides, "All men are created equal" is from the U.S. Constitution,
not the Bible.)
Post by Ric
Southern change gonna come at last
Now your crosses are burning fast - (metaphor, burning crosses [Ku Klux
Klan]
Yes, at "crosses burning" I certainly thought of the Klan.
Post by Ric
- burning fast [time running out]) Southern man
Or perhaps, I thought, it meant to burn them more frequently.
Post by Ric
I saw cotton and I saw black - (black men working the cotton fields)
Tall white mansions and little shacks. - (inequality)
Yes. But some like it that way.
Post by Ric
Southern man when will you pay them back? - (when will you redress the
balance?)
I took it to possibly mean, when will you pay them ("them" being the
North, and the blacks) back for losing the war? In other words, to take
revenge.
Post by Ric
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking How long? how long? - (How
long is this gonna go on?)
Southern man better keep your head
Don't forget what your good book said Southern change gonna come at last
The South will rise again?
Post by Ric
Now your crosses are burning fast
Southern man
Lily belle, your hair is golden brown I've seen your black man comin'
round Swear by God I'm gonna cut him down! - (White supremacist attitude
to white woman [it's a quote not an opinion!])
This is the line that made me wonder what the whole song was trying to
say. I didn't see it as a quote, but rather as a declaration of intent (to
the extent that it is only a song lyric, of course).
Post by Ric
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking How long? how long?
'Sweet Home Alabama' by Lynyrd Skynyrd was their answer to this
perceived criticism of the South in general!
Yep, I remember that. "I hope Neil Young will remember, a Southern man
don't need him around anyhow". At the time, I rather liked Freebird in
particular and Lynyrd Skynyrd in general. But after that, I decided I
needed to chose between Neil and Lynyrd Skynyrd. After having a look at
both, the choice was easy. I went with Neil.

It's also worth noting that it is common knowledge that Neil declared
there was no feud between them, it was all a misunderstanding, and Neil
even wore a Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt at his own concert.

This just made me wonder more where Neil was coming from regarding the
Southern Man lyrics.

By the way, thanks for not flaming me. Of all the artists and bands that I
like, when I consider the people behind the music Neil Young is the one
that I respect the most, bar none. Which is why I always been puzzled by
what I saw as different possible interpretations of the Southern Man
lyrics.
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Tony Sivori
Ric
2004-01-02 12:47:43 UTC
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Tony

I always thought Jimmy Hendrix sang; "excuse me while I kiss this guy' which
was of course 'the sky' - I common misunderstanding. Another one, when I
was very young, I thought Peter Noone (Hermans Hermits) sang; 'She's a
muscular boy' (Must to avoid). My sister thought; 'Poetry in Motion' was
'Poultry in motion'... These are misheard lyrics rather than misinterpreted
of course...

The interpretation of Southern Man lyrics is mine - so don't take it as
gospel, but I'm pretty sure I'm right... Neil is too intelligent to be a
racist!

Cheers

Ric

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Post by Tony Sivori
Post by Ric
You're joking, right?
No, I'm serious.
I think it is easy to understand the words correctly yet misinterpret
meaning in song lyrics. The most famous example I know of is ZZ Top's
"Arrested for Driving While Blind". Tipper Gore mistook the lyrics which
were intended both as sarcasm and a warning against drunk driving, for an
endorsement of drunk driving.
And there are the words with no real meaning, for instance Led Zeppelin's
infamous "tadpole in a jar" line. I guess what that line really means is
that they were probably on some really powerful drugs when they wrote it.
Post by Ric
Of course it's a denouncement, not of the South or Southerners in
general, but of the Southern history of slavery and enduring racist
attitudes (from a minority). It's a bitter indictment of
institutionalised racism...
Good. That is what I hoped. But I just couldn't find any quote from Neil
saying so.
Post by Ric
Southern man better keep your head
Don't forget what your good book said - (the Bible, all men are created
equal)
In the antebellum South, the Bible was frequently used to justify slavery.
(And besides, "All men are created equal" is from the U.S. Constitution,
not the Bible.)
Post by Ric
Southern change gonna come at last
Now your crosses are burning fast - (metaphor, burning crosses [Ku Klux
Klan]
Yes, at "crosses burning" I certainly thought of the Klan.
Post by Ric
- burning fast [time running out]) Southern man
Or perhaps, I thought, it meant to burn them more frequently.
Post by Ric
I saw cotton and I saw black - (black men working the cotton fields)
Tall white mansions and little shacks. - (inequality)
Yes. But some like it that way.
Post by Ric
Southern man when will you pay them back? - (when will you redress the
balance?)
I took it to possibly mean, when will you pay them ("them" being the
North, and the blacks) back for losing the war? In other words, to take
revenge.
Post by Ric
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking How long? how long? - (How
long is this gonna go on?)
Southern man better keep your head
Don't forget what your good book said Southern change gonna come at last
The South will rise again?
Post by Ric
Now your crosses are burning fast
Southern man
Lily belle, your hair is golden brown I've seen your black man comin'
round Swear by God I'm gonna cut him down! - (White supremacist attitude
to white woman [it's a quote not an opinion!])
This is the line that made me wonder what the whole song was trying to
say. I didn't see it as a quote, but rather as a declaration of intent (to
the extent that it is only a song lyric, of course).
Post by Ric
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking How long? how long?
'Sweet Home Alabama' by Lynyrd Skynyrd was their answer to this
perceived criticism of the South in general!
Yep, I remember that. "I hope Neil Young will remember, a Southern man
don't need him around anyhow". At the time, I rather liked Freebird in
particular and Lynyrd Skynyrd in general. But after that, I decided I
needed to chose between Neil and Lynyrd Skynyrd. After having a look at
both, the choice was easy. I went with Neil.
It's also worth noting that it is common knowledge that Neil declared
there was no feud between them, it was all a misunderstanding, and Neil
even wore a Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt at his own concert.
This just made me wonder more where Neil was coming from regarding the
Southern Man lyrics.
By the way, thanks for not flaming me. Of all the artists and bands that I
like, when I consider the people behind the music Neil Young is the one
that I respect the most, bar none. Which is why I always been puzzled by
what I saw as different possible interpretations of the Southern Man
lyrics.
--
Tony Sivori
Tony Sivori
2004-01-03 04:11:35 UTC
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Post by Ric
I always thought Jimmy Hendrix sang; "excuse me while I kiss this guy'
Oh no, not Jimmy! :-)
Post by Ric
which was of course 'the sky' - I common misunderstanding. Another one,
when I was very young, I thought Peter Noone (Hermans Hermits) sang;
'She's a muscular boy' (Must to avoid). My sister thought; 'Poetry in
Motion' was 'Poultry in motion'... These are misheard lyrics rather
than misinterpreted of course...
My most embarrassing mondegreen is Heart's Crazy On You. When they sang
"And you don't need to wonder, you're doing fine" I heard it as "And you
don't need no woman, you're doing fine".
Post by Ric
The interpretation of Southern Man lyrics is mine - so don't take it as
gospel, but I'm pretty sure I'm right... Neil is too intelligent to be
a racist!
I am sure you're correct.

I also intend to check out some books about Neil, and learn more about
him.
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Tony Sivori
The It's Man
2004-01-03 18:57:50 UTC
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Post by Tony Sivori
Post by Ric
I always thought Jimmy Hendrix sang; "excuse me while I kiss this guy'
Oh no, not Jimmy! :-)
Frank Zappa did though on his album "The Best Band You Never Heard In Your
Life" :).
Mike Cressey
2004-01-05 19:21:29 UTC
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Post by Tony Sivori
No, I'm serious.
I think it is easy to understand the words correctly yet misinterpret
meaning in song lyrics.
Well I think Leonard Skynard interpreted the song correctly when they
wrote "Sweet Home Alabama".

Take our word for it, "Southern Man" is a protest song written against
racism and the oppression of African-Americans in the the South.
There's no hidden meaning to the song, i.e., you can take it
literally.

Mike
The It's Man
2004-01-01 21:41:53 UTC
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According to Nigel Williamson in "Journey through the past - the stories
behind the classic somgs of Neil young":

Dennis Dragon (one of the Beach Boy's musicians), said that it was written
after Neil overhearing some 'rednecks' to planning to attack them. It seems
that beating up longhairs was regarded as fair sport in certain parts of the
south.

Neil said himself (don't know when & where, the source don't tell),
jokeingly, "This song could have been written on a civil rights march after
stopping off to watch 'Gone with the Wind. Actually I think I wrote it in
the Fillmore east dressing room in 1970".

It's...
Post by Mike Cressey
Post by Tony Sivori
What is the story behind the lyrics of Southern Man? If Neil ever talked
about it, I can't find it despite considerable Googling this newsgroups
archives, the web, or browsing the hyperrust.org website.
I'm not sure I've ever seen anything he's said on this song & I don't
recall any specifics in Shakey but I believe that Neil spent some time
down south & he wrote this song (and Alabama) as a reaction to that
experience.
However, I think the song is pretty self-explanatory, don't you?
protest & social conscience-type songs.
Mike
Tony Sivori
2004-01-03 04:08:02 UTC
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Post by The It's Man
According to Nigel Williamson in "Journey through the past - the stories
Dennis Dragon (one of the Beach Boy's musicians), said that it was
written after Neil overhearing some 'rednecks' to planning to attack
them. It seems that beating up longhairs was regarded as fair sport in
certain parts of the south.
Neil said himself (don't know when & where, the source don't tell),
jokeingly, "This song could have been written on a civil rights march
after stopping off to watch 'Gone with the Wind. Actually I think I
wrote it in the Fillmore east dressing room in 1970".
I'm so used to getting information from the Internet that I didn't stop to
consider a book. Unfortunately, my local library doesn't stock the book
you mention, but it does have several books about Neil that I intend to
borrow. Here are the ones I found locally that looked most likely to be a
good read:

Neil Young : love to burn : thirty years of speaking out, 1966-1996 By
Paul Williams.

Neil Young : his life and music, By Michael Heatley.

Neil Young, the Rolling Stone files : the ultimate compendium of
interviews, articles, facts, and opinions from the files of Rolling Stone
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Tony Sivori
Paul Way
2004-02-14 20:42:09 UTC
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Post by The It's Man
Neil said himself (don't know when & where, the source don't tell),
jokeingly, "This song could have been written on a civil rights march after
stopping off to watch 'Gone with the Wind. Actually I think I wrote it in
the Fillmore east dressing room in 1970".
The original quote is in the liner notes of Decade. Commenting on Southern
Man, Young writes: "This song could have been written on a civil rights
march after stopping off to watch 'Gone with the Wind' at a local theater.
But I wasn't there so I don't know. Actually I think I wrote it in the
Fillmore east dressing room in 1970".

FWIW

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